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jason
Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 29
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: spartan stocks |
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| I have a question for Bill or Jim.The split for A and B class is split by the largest gap in time.That's the way it was explained friday night after the race.If that is true then why were long and dent put in the B class.They were seven tenths faster than david kelley and three tenths slower than chuck ammerman.I'm a little confused.If i remember correctly Mark and Pat lapped the field and then some! |
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letsgoracing
Joined: 03 Jul 2012 Posts: 6
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The 7 truck is .94 seconds slower than the fastest A car. And the 7 truck is .80 faster than the 11 Kelly car. The 7 truck either can be lapped by all of the A cars or lap some of the B cars. The 7 truck has raced in the A all year and getting beat bad. Sounds like you want the 7 truck and 6 Dent to lose rather than have a chance of winning. Every A car friday night was a tube car, the 7 truck and 6 Dent are full frame cars. Friday night was very fair and enjoyed the races. |
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jason
Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 29
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark has consistently run 14.5 all year which puts him right in the heart of the A class.The proof is right in the results.He fits better in that class rather than lapping the whole field in 12 laps.Apparently your one of his buddies.Go ask the B class drivers if they enjoyed getting lapped halfway through the race.I don't know what you were watching,but it was hardly a good race.Does Mark get lapped in the Aclass? |
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jason
Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 29
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| It's to bad they can't get things right in this class either.the pure stocks went to hell along with the sportsmans, and it's happening again.The car count is getting worse.There are so many drivers in the stands who won't bring their cars out.With the low car counts and payouts the future doesn't look bright. |
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Racer7L
Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 29 Location: Charlotte MI
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Jason
As the owner of the truck that Marc drives I know the work that has gone into it each and every week to make it a B class racecar. All the cars in the B class are capable of running 14.5s problem with that is the top 5 A cars runs 14.2s. So the truck and the rest of the B cars would have little chance to win. So we as team and a driver with limited seat time decided to work hard on slowing the truck down. I guess you are a buddy of a B car so I suggest go and work on it and try to go faster, the truck is a B class racercar at this time.
Dane Long |
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Jim Leasure
Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 873
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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The qualifying times usually arrive about at the end of the driver's meeting. Just to be sure everyone has full access to the times Bill will announce where the division for A&B is as well as the split times. If the Q times are slow getting down from the tower we can wait.
Last Friday:
I am told 7L had one break out lap that was not on the last lap and the 17 car did not have any. In an effort not to make mistakes three people in the tower watch times (very closely) on three different computer screens for cars that have potential to break out of their time. So closely that they didn't catch that the 19 car had broken out for 5 laps.
It is also important to remember that any car that breaks out on the last lap is scored behind the last car on the lead lap. If a person that is associated with a driver in the B division would like to watch how this works just let me know early in the evening and I will make the arrangements. |
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Bill Lackey
Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 185
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| By rule with only 16 cars qualifying for Friday nights races, we could just run one feature with all cars in it. We are trying to sort out the issues (like single car qualifying on Friday night) and make the classes competitive but maybe just one feature is the only thing that will make everyone happy. |
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ken#8
Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 87
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:39 pm Post subject: trouble brewing |
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| whats going to happen is there wont be a abc class running it will only be a A class only running..B divisions will not be there I myself might as well keep the car home cause I sure cant keep up with the A cars..I dont have the money to compete against big wallets.... its a shame there is 7 of us that all run real close in times and then they put cars in there that can run 14s in with us the rest of us are lucky to get 15.5 tops .. car count has already dropped over these actions and I do believe it will get worse .. I feel if a car has proven they can run 14s then they need to stay in the A mains not drop down to the B main the following week and run away with the show its unfair to us drivers that have little money cars to even try ...just my opinion rather see some tight racing not have 1 or 2 drivers run away with it or on the last lap leaving the rest of the field in the dust cause they held back the potential of there car its insulting to us drivers that are trying our best to compete..I dont know what the answer is and how to get it under control other then look back in the times if you see a car is able and capible of running 14s then put em in that bracket where they belong if it ran in the 14s the week before then we all know they are capible of running them times every week not holding back to get to the B Main ....just my opinion Ken Dollarhite |
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Mopar93
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 924 Location: Charlotte, Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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For the B drivers who are complaining... you need to talk to all those drivers you claim are keeping their cars parked. To make this class work, you need as many cars as possible. Then you will be happy because each feature will have less of a gap from the fastest to the slowest.
But, with more cars, the current B cars will likely become C cars, but the two B cars that are being complained about will still be B cars.
So, don't say the class will lose cars, do something about making the class "gain" cars. And in the meantime, keep on racing and do the best you can. It will get better.
-Maurice |
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cnaracer
Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 87
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: spartan stocks |
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It honestly is a difficult situation... i dont blame the 7L truck for doing what they did... HONESTLY if my car from last year was together.. i would of done the same thing, slowed it down so i could have a chance at winning!!! like people are saying... IF there is more cars then it would be able to be more evenly spread out... and it is not all about the money as it is about experience, knowledge, and set up, and spending your money in the right areas.. last year you can look at my times, i ran 14,40's and 50's with a STOCK motor, and a STOCK frame vehicle... _________________ Misty Allen
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jason
Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 29
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill all you did wrong was miss the split.Jim told a group friday night that look for the biggest split.That split was between Pat Dent and David Kelly which would of sent long and dent to the A class.Then you wouldn't of had long beating the field by over a lap.My suggestion is to watch the split better.You also should not be able to break out on any lap.Letting them break out a lap allows the fast cars who are sandbagging to blow the feild away.Those cars who are truly running their cars all out don't have that option to just floor it.I do agree that more cars would make the splits better,but thats probably not going to happen.If things aren't made some what fair for everybody then cars are going to leave.Hell if the A class cars couldn't do what their are doing in the B class then they would probably leave to. |
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jason
Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 29
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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TO MISTY AND DANE
I help most of the B class cars out.Most of which are in my garage so I know what they are,so I want you to understand that they are doing their work.They just refuse to spend that kind of money to win 200 dollars in the B class.
Misty I will start with your car last year.From what I understand your car was purchased from kyle drake.I'm taking a geuss at this so i'm not sure so bare with me.It was a caprice shortened to 108".It had a nine inch with a manual.I'm guessin the stock bottom end was balanced.After market heads intake and carb.I beleive Jimmy Johnson loanded you all the ignition system and a cam probably above a 55o lift.That being you guys did a hell of a job with what you had.
Dane i'm told you truck was built by howe.Don't know for sure just what someone said.I'm guessing around 3000 pounds.Nine inch, manual trans,screw jacks tubular a arms.im going to guess that you have every bit as much motor as misty if not more.
The cars were are running are bone stock chassis with race springs and that is it.The rearend is stock with a 273 gear running gm turbo 350 trannys in low.The motors are 350's which have been re-rung and new bearings.The biggest cam in any car is a 500 lift,but most are 410.Most of the guys have put on a small pair of dart heads with 2101 intakes.Some of the cars still have the gm qaudrajet carbs on them along with stock ignitions.All that and weighing in at 3400 to 3500 pounds and that's your majority of racecars in that class.They all run anyware from 15.2 to 15.8.I would say that pretty good time considering you truck with all that runs about a half second faster with all you have.
In the end your really comparing apples to oranges.We all chose to keep it cheap as the B class pays very little to win.I have not ever charge a racing part,I have not lost my house,and I have not got a divorce over racing and I plan to keep it that way. |
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jason
Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 29
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: Dane Long |
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| Dane this one's for you.I have been in this for three years raced my car maybe a dozen times.Maybe I do need to learn more.I think you need to take your own advice and work harder in the garage.Mike,Josh,Ron and Damon have been handing you your ass on a weekly bassis.Oh and by the way if it weren't for me helping all those drivers your brother might not have a chance to win so your welcome! |
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jason
Joined: 20 Jun 2010 Posts: 29
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| One more thing to all of you that think we need to work harder why don't offer those driver's lend a helping hand then.I personally work helped the 19 car put all new bar work and body.I did the body and paint on the 771.I built the 2b car.I rebuilt the motorin the 13 car and put new body and paint.put a motor together for 9 car.Built a new radiator shroud for the 8 car.I did not charge these people a penny.I did it out of the kindness and put my own car to the side.Most of these people are new and could use help,but noboby offers.What have you done to help a fellow racer? |
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Racer7L
Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 29 Location: Charlotte MI
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Jason
You are so far from the truth on the truck it is not funny. Stock 116" chassis, 4 link all stock, front suspension all stock including all 4 shock locations, automatic trans, screw jacks in the rear only safety issue there.
P.S. the truck will not be there this week as it is at Howe getting the latest updates available.
P.S.S getting my ass handed too me ? Quick qualifier many nights, several seconds too all them guys you spoke off Ron Mike Damon And Josh all excellent racers you I am not ashamed of finishing second third fourth or fifth against. I feel them names are at the top of their game at spartan or anywhere they may go. |
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